Repop Frame?

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Repop Frame?

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Post by Pete808 »

Been a long time since I have been active, nice to be back. I have been storing a friend's 1947EL in my garage for a few years and he has asked me to sell it for him. I am getting it ready to post but wanted to get some clarification on some things. He is un der the impression that the frame on this bike is oem but I can not find any casting marks that would indicate that, other then on the rear. I want to make sure that when I list it I have accurate information so the potential buyer knows what they are getting. What do you guys think based on the photos? Repop or OEM?

From what I can tell everything on the bike is repop except the engine, trans and possibly the front end. He mentioned that the tanks are oem but I disagree as the shape is off to me, especially when I compare to my oem ones.

thanks for the help
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Re: Repop Frame?

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Hi Pete,
That frame looks like it was a chopper frame [put back to stock configuration. The neck looks like a repair job was done on it.
Robbie
Also, unless it has a really high VIN the tanks should be flat bottom along the inner seam, no clearance depressions.
Like these in the pictures.
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Re: Repop Frame?

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@RUBONE

thanks for the reply and the pics of those tanks. Here is a pic of the tanks from the top view on this bike as well. When I look at my oem tanks they don't look so wide, almost like a shovelhead tank shape on these.

So you think the frame was an oem frame that was chopped and repaired over time or repop chop? thanks
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Re: Repop Frame?

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The rear axle is 90 degrees out of faze. The flat sides should be vertical, with the two guiding bungs that ride if the frame's axle side pates.
The speedo is later Panhead and a repop....
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Re: Repop Frame?

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The rear axle is sideways too Pete! :) Repop Panhead speedo, wrong kicker arm and cover (not to mention the stripped filler hole), wrong air cleaner, wrong wiring terminals, missing steering damper, aftermarket battery cover, missing lower horn bracket, and the forks look like inline, are they?
Almost all the hardware is wrong, many finishes are wrong on lots of the pieces.
What's up with the broken brake cam? And the rear crashbar mounting?
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Wow, Robbie, the rear brake is completely FUBARed. It is not registered in the frame slot, And has rotated 'round until the cam broke off?
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RUBONE wrote: Mon May 02, 2022 1:35 am The rear axle is sideways too Pete! :) Repop Panhead speedo, wrong kicker arm and cover (not to mention the stripped filler hole), wrong air cleaner, wrong wiring terminals, missing steering damper, aftermarket battery cover, missing lower horn bracket, and the forks look like inline, are they?
Almost all the hardware is wrong, many finishes are wrong on lots of the pieces.
What's up with the broken brake cam? And the rear crashbar mounting?
I'm not sure, this is the way he dropped it off at my place a couple years ago and since it is not my bike I have not been touching it. I am just storing it for him but now that he wants me to sell it I wanted to pull it out and go over it and fix what I can. I will take a look at the fork to see if it is offset or inline.
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RooDog wrote: Mon May 02, 2022 1:51 am Wow, Robbie, thar rear brake is complexly FUBARed. It is not registered in the frame slot, And has rotated 'round until the cam broke off?
He didn't have the hardware to get that buttoned up before he dropped it off to me so I will address it before it sells. I don't think it broke off, just not properly installed yet and is held on with a twist tie for the last couple years its been sitting in my garage.
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Pete808 wrote: Mon May 02, 2022 2:34 am
RUBONE wrote: Mon May 02, 2022 1:35 am The rear axle is sideways too Pete! :) Repop Panhead speedo, wrong kicker arm and cover (not to mention the stripped filler hole), wrong air cleaner, wrong wiring terminals, missing steering damper, aftermarket battery cover, missing lower horn bracket, and the forks look like inline, are they?
Almost all the hardware is wrong, many finishes are wrong on lots of the pieces.
What's up with the broken brake cam? And the rear crashbar mounting?
I'm not sure, this is the way he dropped it off at my place a couple years ago and since it is not my bike I have not been touching it. I am just storing it for him but now that he wants me to sell it I wanted to pull it out and go over it and fix what I can. I will take a look at the fork to see if it is offset or inline.
If you are gonna be the seller it will be your reputation on the line, both morally and legally. Be sue to have your ducks in a row before listing it....
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Re: Repop Frame?

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Left side of the steering head shows part of a forging number? I see what looks like XE- and something else. In full is it XE-35? And is there a die number below the 35? Also is there a hallmark further back?
I can’t see anything on the R-H side but please check it anyway.

Do I see something stamped on top of the seat post forging or is it just the photo?


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Any ID underneath the seat post forging? Maybe forging number XE-1, hallmark DIF and a die number?
Any ID on the rear engine mount immediately in front of the trans case? Maybe forging number XE-624, hallmark DIF and a die number?
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Re: Repop Frame?

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RooDog wrote: Mon May 02, 2022 3:13 am
Pete808 wrote: Mon May 02, 2022 2:34 am
RUBONE wrote: Mon May 02, 2022 1:35 am The rear axle is sideways too Pete! :) Repop Panhead speedo, wrong kicker arm and cover (not to mention the stripped filler hole), wrong air cleaner, wrong wiring terminals, missing steering damper, aftermarket battery cover, missing lower horn bracket, and the forks look like inline, are they?
Almost all the hardware is wrong, many finishes are wrong on lots of the pieces.
What's up with the broken brake cam? And the rear crashbar mounting?
I'm not sure, this is the way he dropped it off at my place a couple years ago and since it is not my bike I have not been touching it. I am just storing it for him but now that he wants me to sell it I wanted to pull it out and go over it and fix what I can. I will take a look at the fork to see if it is offset or inline.
If you are gonna be the seller it will be your reputation on the line, both morally and legally. Be sue to have your ducks in a row before listing it....
That is why he posted in the first place as he mentions in his first post
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Re: Repop Frame?

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Pete808 wrote: Sun May 01, 2022 9:38 pm From what I can tell everything on the bike is repop except the engine, trans and possibly the front end.
Yes... tons of repop and wrong stuff on that bike.
Surprisingly (can't really tell much by those pics),that almost looks like an OEM narrow brace front fender.?. Interesting placemnt for the fender-light wiring hole though.
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RooDog wrote: Mon May 02, 2022 3:13 am
Pete808 wrote: Mon May 02, 2022 2:34 am
RUBONE wrote: Mon May 02, 2022 1:35 am The rear axle is sideways too Pete! :) Repop Panhead speedo, wrong kicker arm and cover (not to mention the stripped filler hole), wrong air cleaner, wrong wiring terminals, missing steering damper, aftermarket battery cover, missing lower horn bracket, and the forks look like inline, are they?
Almost all the hardware is wrong, many finishes are wrong on lots of the pieces.
What's up with the broken brake cam? And the rear crashbar mounting?
I'm not sure, this is the way he dropped it off at my place a couple years ago and since it is not my bike I have not been touching it. I am just storing it for him but now that he wants me to sell it I wanted to pull it out and go over it and fix what I can. I will take a look at the fork to see if it is offset or inline.
If you are gonna be the seller it will be your reputation on the line, both morally and legally. Be sue to have your ducks in a row before listing it....
Not really sure how I would be in any was legally responsible or even morally but the reason I am asking for opinions is so that I have correct info to give to any potential buyers.
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Speeding Big Twin wrote: Mon May 02, 2022 7:31 am Left side of the steering head shows part of a forging number? I see what looks like XE- and something else. In full is it XE-35? And is there a die number below the 35? Also is there a hallmark further back?
I can’t see anything on the R-H side but please check it anyway.

Do I see something stamped on top of the seat post forging or is it just the photo?



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Any ID underneath the seat post forging? Maybe forging number XE-1, hallmark DIF and a die number?
Any ID on the rear engine mount immediately in front of the trans case? Maybe forging number XE-624, hallmark DIF and a die number?
Eric
I have to inspect it a little closer but there doesn't appear to be anything by the seat post. I have to wait to get it pushed out in the light later and get a better look at everything. My garage is pretty dark with poor lighting. I'll look for the items you mentioned and will report back when I get a chance.
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droptopford wrote: Mon May 02, 2022 4:48 pm
Pete808 wrote: Sun May 01, 2022 9:38 pm From what I can tell everything on the bike is repop except the engine, trans and possibly the front end.
Yes... tons of repop and wrong stuff on that bike.
Surprisingly (can't really tell much by those pics),that almost looks like an OEM narrow brace front fender.?. Interesting placemnt for the fender-light wiring hole though.
Yeah I have to get it out in the light and get better pics. I am not sure about a lot of things that were done on this bike, since it is not mine I didn't want to touch it or mess with it while it was in my possession, I just left it as is and look after it for my friend since garages are a luxury out here lol.
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