Fuel valve unknown and leaking

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Re: Fuel valve unknown and leaking

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awander wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:50 pm
Lowbikemike wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:00 pm Early and Late fuel valves. Later style is on right in both pictures. Uses straight line with rubber insert.
Nice PEEK tips on those rods!

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Yep, one is already in service and hopefully the older style will see fuel soon. The other might rot before my buddy gets his project running, lol.
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Re: Fuel valve unknown and leaking

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No doubt the MoCo went to the rubber insert, compression fitting, to combat a vibration induced cracking problem. An inherent flaw in an all metal fuel or oil delivery system....
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Re: Fuel valve unknown and leaking

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Hdmarcus! Get rid of that beat up nut/fitting and hope it has not damaged the bottom of the tank. With original pan tanks selling for $1000 or so, spending $100-$200 for all new parts should be a no brainer. Not to mention the fire danger of a leak.

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Re: Fuel valve unknown and leaking

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Andy,

you are right. I will remove the homemade version.....

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Re: Fuel valve unknown and leaking

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Lowbikemike wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:00 pm Early and Late fuel valves. Later style is on right in both pictures. Uses straight line with rubber insert.
Wondering what thread it is ?
7/16-27 ?
Both the same size ?

Thanks
ray
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Re: Fuel valve unknown and leaking

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straight line with rubber
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Re: Fuel valve unknown and leaking

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Raytag wrote: Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:24 am
Lowbikemike wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:00 pm Early and Late fuel valves. Later style is on right in both pictures. Uses straight line with rubber insert.
Wondering what thread it is ?
7/16-27 ?
Both the same size ?

Thanks
ray
The fitting thread on the early valve does appear to be 7/16" diammeter, not sure of the pitch.

The later one is 1/2" diameter-it is hard to measure the pitch, but a standard compression cap seems to fit, which is 20 TPI thread.
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Re: Fuel valve unknown and leaking

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Thanks Awander,

I guess it is a non-issue to most here but I`m asking myselves which compression nut to use once you have an oem shut-off rod and eg a Dellorto carb attached and you need to assemble the fuel line on your own? My limited experience with american stuff is that your safety-standards reg fuel lines is alot higher than eg european gear.
In a nutshell: A pitch of 20 is not what I expected.

Thanks
Ray
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Re: Fuel valve unknown and leaking

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Hi Ray:

This stuff was designed way before they had any real safety standards-hell, the manuals tell you to use gasoline as a parts cleaner.

When I measured one of the "late" style valves, I wrote down that I thought the threads on the compression connector were 24TPI, but I also seem to remember that I was able to thread a standard 5/16" compression line fitting over it, and the standard ones are 1/2-20.
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Re: Fuel valve unknown and leaking

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hdmarkus wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:11 pm Andy,

you are right. I will remove the homemade version.....

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Markus
Good, my friend Jim, (Rocket Chapter AMCA) paid big money for a set of ‘49 original tanks and they had a groove/notch in the face of the tank fitting. He pirated a donor tank for the fitting with sheet metal around it, Billy Lane (yes, that one) had the alignment tool and took days to weld in the piece, little at a time. Not an easy fix.

Preserve those old parts!

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Re: Fuel valve unknown and leaking

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1950Panhead wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:21 pm
That is a good picture but the wrong valve, he needs a '50 up rubber sealed type for his '55.
If you insist, here is rubber.

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Hi,

today I got the new parts from W&W. The fuel line give me some headache. Is it possible to get a picture from the carburetor side, where the line is connected to the fuel strainer?

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Re: Fuel valve unknown and leaking

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Is it possible to get a picture from the carburetor side, where the line is connected to the fuel strainer?
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Re: Fuel valve unknown and leaking

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Thank you very much......!

Best regards
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Re: Fuel valve unknown and leaking

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Hi,

just one question.

Can the fuel-line lie against the cylinder or must a distance be maintained here?

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Re: Fuel valve unknown and leaking

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hdmarkus wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2019 11:20 am Hi,

just one question.

Can the fuel-line lie against the cylinder or must a distance be maintained here?

Thanks Markus
No, I wouldn't want to do that. I think you'd be setting yourself up for vapor lock.
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